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How to tell a scammer

Author: John T Owens (---.bos.east.verizon.net)
Date: 03-25-04 06:06

We've all met them I think. I'll bet most of them are two guys in some saloon with laptops and pretty girls' pictures.

But here are some thoughts that have occurred to this boy with a cop's mentality:
1) Her picture is too good, too professional, too soft-porn even.
2)Her letter seems to be a form letter with better than expected English.
3)She early on tells a sob story, a sick mother going to Moscow for an operation, a father wounded in Aghganistan. She's setting the stage.
4)She doesn't seem to answer your questions directly. She's got dozens of letters to answer and can't bother with too many details.
5)She originates a request for a small amount of money, for translation fees, internet-cafe expenses, etc. She's softening you up.

In the event you have been scammed, it is important to report it to the transfer agency, usually Western Union who handles a lot of these transfers. They can quarantine a known recipient.

I find the whole process fascinating and I think just a small part of a huge enterprise on the Net, probably with offshoots into pornography, and possibly transnational prostitution.

Thought while writing: Can you get a drink in an internet-cafe?

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.nv.iinet.net.au)
Date: 03-28-04 22:48

Hi JohnT

I agree it is fairly easy to see the "scam" coming. I think that these professional scammers rely on a "quick kill !!"

My own way of dealing with them is to play dumb and "hooked" and keep the emails going for as long as possible...keep promising money, problems with Western Union, etc etc.

Remember...only WE can choose to send money, if we don't..we are safe !! but if you keep them at it...their costs will eventually rise with no results...all scammed men out there should bombard them with emails, making wild and fantastic promises of money etc, keep it all going for as long as possible...then just disapear and get on with the next one!!

Having said that...there are some real treasures out there who are also just as visible.

Regards...David...Western Australia.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.orby.sth.bostream.se)
Date: 03-29-04 13:55

Hi had an interesting situation recently, I was corresponding with two Ukrainian gals. One of them I suddenly got a message from her "translating" agency saying she owed them money and couldn't correspond any more. I asked for her real mailing address so I could send her a letter. They gave me an address but said I shouldn't send anything though mail as it could get lost and gave me western union payment details and said she owed $20. That made me suspicious but the small amount was also curious. A week later I wrote and said I was not near a western union so couldnt make any transfers and i'd be in touch. I haven't pursued it further. Scam or not? I don't know.

The second girl I was very much connecting with, really did seem to eb the woman of my dreams. Then she sent an email saying she had got herself in financial trouble and couldn't correspond for much longer. I asked for her real mail address and she said she was moving apartments a lot so couldn't give me one. She never asked for money, though she did let on she owed the internet agency $120, but then just said she thought I would make any woman happy and she was sorry she couldn't write any more and then I heard no more? Scam again? I don't know... sad if it wasn't .... :'-(

David
... an australian in sweden!

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: tann (---.quantum.ru)
Date: 03-30-04 06:19

Illusions, illusions...
Dave, sure borth were scamers. First of all because of money talking. The second - things what never happen here. No any agency will survice you untill you pay in advance (true). Third - "strange letter" from translating agency with asking money to a person who is not even their client! The second girl can not owe $120 to the internet agency because they will switch her off when she gets even -$0,01. Russian realities. Yet just compare - I pay $50 a month for UNLIMITED high speed internet. Using a modem I would spend maximum $20-30 a month. Do you think providers will allow someone to use i-net connections for some months for free?

Also please, don't think that things are so bad here that people are not able to pay $20 for survice they need.

Take care,
Tatyana

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: John T Owens (---.bos.east.verizon.net)
Date: 03-30-04 07:10

Dorogaya Tatyana,
Hi! You say you don't like life presented as a soap opera. I have a French friend who lives here in Boston who describes his life as a French movie, some of which I love for the way they deal with emotions.

I think scammers work hard for their money, just like beggars, and someone said that after giving alms to a beggar one should humbly beg his pardon.

My Russian teacher here, who is about to marry a Russian millionaire emigre, says that Petersburg women have more chic than Moscow women. Pravda eelee nyepravda? And how about Kiev? Those girls seem to be "tres dans le vent", na vetru, in English "with it".

If you think I'm trying to start an argument, you're absolutely right.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.orby.sth.bostream.se)
Date: 03-30-04 08:21

Hi Tatyana!
Yes, that's what I figured. Though the second one never actually asked for money at all and then just disappeared which was very strange behaviour for a scammer! Maybe they had to run quickly from the police :) I read a few weeks ago about an australian man who was scammed out of thousands and he wrote To Mr Putin in frustration and Putin wrote back! The scammers got caught; so that was very impressive!

But regarding costs, I'm curious as to what the translating charges are normally? I know internet can be reasonably priced, but I have no idea on translators! In any case I guess they can just use online ones for free if necessary.

Have a great day!
/david

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: tann (---.quantum.ru)
Date: 03-30-04 14:24

hello John,

I don't like troubles and intrigues presented in my life, what all soap operas are based on. Didn't say anything about emotions and French movies :)

I do not have really answer to your question, too complicated for a girl :)

David, I will better say nothing about that Australian guy, he definitely didn't read our scammer topics in this forum.

The translating charges should be $2-3 in Ukraine and $4-5 per 1000 symbols in Russia. Also anvice your girls to deal with private translators, that's much cheaper. For example I found a great translator for my German texts in Ukraine who works just for $1,5 per 1000 and I get professional translation.

But wait, I don't understand how you are going to deal with a girl who doesn't even speak English? How are you going to communicate with your wife? Will a translator live with you as well? :)

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.orby.sth.bostream.se)
Date: 03-31-04 09:46

Well they both claimed they could both speak better english than they write. This I can believe as I am the same with swedish! I moved to Sweden myself without knowing the language at all. Admittedly easier as most people here can speak english, but I have dated some gals here whose english has not been good, but between their english and my swedish we coped pretty well. Haveing said that, I agree with your point and in looking for a partner I'd prefer someone I can communicate well with! But I ndver say never :-)

Interestingly one of the gals I mentioned has appeared now on this site ... hmmm ....

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: tann (---.quantum.ru)
Date: 03-31-04 13:39

She follows you! Soon we are going to be spectators of a blood drama! :)

As for me, I hardly can imagine myself with a man without communicating, sharing thoughts, ideas. I don't deniy existance of happy relations without knowing language, I have a "living example" of my friend who married a Finnish man and they both couldn't say a word at the beginning. They are already 8 years together, live in Russia and communicate in... Finnish! So, someone can manage it but this is a hard trial. I know I can learn any language quickly but I can't stand even a week without understanding!

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.orby.sth.bostream.se)
Date: 03-31-04 14:50

actually i suspect the reason Finland has such a big drinking problem is that they don't understand Finnish either! A very odd language ... :-)

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.sea1-4-5-060-136.sea1.dsl-verizon.net)
Date: 04-01-04 00:37

Did someone say the name of this thread was 'How to tell a Scammer?'.
I'll tell you one way. A girl calling herself Oskana #13870 mailed me. Her picture disappeared from my mail box and her profile also. Some how she has reappeared as Tanya # 10542 with same photo. The same photo that is reported on several black list sites. Check it out.......... I emailed our administrators over a week ago about this... and she is still there.....and I've heard no reply. So it's up to us to let each other know.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: John T Owens (---.bos.east.verizon.net)
Date: 04-01-04 03:19

David, it makes you wonder about the integrity of New-Dating doesn't it? Tanya/Oksana/???, ta devushka is gone but she/they are all over the Net. She's probably on a site in Cairo. To give the New-Dating administration a break, it must be almost impossible to police the site. Microsoft is helping by identifying more sources as junk mailers. Anything from them should be suspect. That will help.

You've got to admit though, Dave, that if Tanya/Oksana/??? really did exist she'd make a helluva cowgirl.

Do svidanya,JTO

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.orby.sth.bostream.se)
Date: 04-01-04 07:40

Ahh well, I think I've found a quick and easy way to filter out scammers! With 3 different girls in the last 24 hours I have simply replied something like "Sorry I can't write much at the moment, I'm busy today, please tell me about where you live? I may be visiting Russian in a few months and it would be nice to meet"

In all three cases I got a quite long email back saying how nice it was to hear from me, thank you for the kind words, and i'll try to answer your questions etc etc" and then answering things I never did ask but which would be quite common as first questions, eg why are you looking on the internet?

and of course, none of them even mentioned anything about where they lived or me visiting ...

next! :-)

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.sea1-4-5-060-136.sea1.dsl-verizon.net)
Date: 04-01-04 11:26

Well John, It probably is tough to police this site that's why I thuoght I'd give 'em a hand. But for me the jury's out on whether they care or not. They could have at least emailed me, don't you think?

And ah, do deally think they might have any cowgirls there in Russia?

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: tann (---.quantum.ru)
Date: 04-01-04 13:33

No, matadors only :) Seriousely, I saw a report about one. What are cowboys these days? I am sure there are horse amateurs here. At least I can see lot's of girls-teenagers with horses on streets.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.sea1-4-5-060-136.sea1.dsl-verizon.net)
Date: 04-01-04 16:44

Well since you asked, Tann. Most Americans dont even know what a cowboy is or if they were looking at a real one or not. The cowboys up here in the North-west corner of the USA are called 'Buckaroos' .Their hats are flat brimmed and their ropes are over twice as long as anywhere else and sometimes made of braided rawhide that they probably cut of a cow and braided themselves. The ranches I've been on are usally between 1 to 2 million acres. Many hundreds of square miles. We don't drive tractors or build fences or make hay or any thing else a farmer would do. We have farmers for that. We ride horses across the meadows and desert all day every day and most of the horses we ride, you had better watch out for , they're not nice. And when the big bosses are not looking..............., we'll rope any thing that moves. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, there you go, thats a start.

By the way there are almost never any girl cowboys on these places. I worked with my first one last fall for a few weeks, but that was a special case.
So, let me ask you this, What kind of saddles do these Russian girls use?
English or American?

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (207.191.121.---)
Date: 04-01-04 21:32

David,

where are these "black-list" sites to which you refer? Where do you find them? I'm going to have the mother of all scam stories to tell you guys (and gals) in a few more weeks, as soon as I strtch this scammer out a while longer--I'm beating her at her own game, she just hasn't figured it out yet!

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.sea1-4-5-060-136.sea1.dsl-verizon.net)
Date: 04-01-04 21:48

David,
Just go to www.google.com and punch in the words Russian scammers blacklists and you'll have plenty to choose from.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.sea1-4-5-060-136.sea1.dsl-verizon.net)
Date: 04-01-04 22:48

As a matter of fact on www.russian-scam.org on their blacklisted women area you'll find a photo of Tanya #10542 one of ours. She sent me a letter here at this site a couple of weeks ago except back then she was Oksana member# 13870.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.sea1-4-5-060-136.sea1.dsl-verizon.net)
Date: 04-01-04 22:51

Oh!!!!!!! I forgot to mention she is calling herself Irene Yamshikova on the www.russian-scam.org site, if anyone wants to check.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: John T Owens (---.bos.east.verizon.net)
Date: 04-02-04 07:48

David: True cowboy story: While changing planes in Dallas a little bowlegged guy about 75 y.o. sat next to me and started rolling a cigarette when a Rex Romance type strutted past us in $1000 boots and a beautiful Stetson. My real cowboy friend humphed and said "Hell, he's probly fom Noo Yawk". I laughed and said I was from New York-"yeh,but you ain't tryin' to look like you ain't".
Those old country boys are pretty hard to fool, and besides is there any place more real than Texas where guys drive 300 miles to go to a dance?
If any of the Russki girls are reading this: Marry a guy from Texas, he's bound to be the real thing.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.orby.sth.bostream.se)
Date: 04-02-04 09:57

I once drove 1200km each way to go to a party one weekend back home in Australia :-). My Swedish friends back there were stunned when we Aussie's would get up around 10am on a Sunday and then decide on a whim to take off for an hours drive just for a quieter beach. Here in Sweden they plan 3 days for a picnic down the local park :-)

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.sea1-4-5-060-136.sea1.dsl-verizon.net)
Date: 04-02-04 11:51

The last place I was on I drove 3 1/2 hours each way to buy a cell phone. When I got back to the ranch I found it didnt work there so three days later I went back to return it and they talked me into trying another brand and that didnt work either, a lot of driving.
And I gotta tell ya John, the outfits Here in the Nevada, Oregon area are way bigger than those in Texas. And we routinely go to work in our hand made $500 boots with $300 spurs on them. Dont get me wrong Ive got nothing against those Texas guys , I like 'em but I'll never work for 'em.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: John T Owens (---.bos.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-05-04 02:57

Dear David the Cowboy,

Tanya/Oksana/Irena is still with us on the site. Also there seem to be identical twins Katerina#16120 from Krasnoyarsk and Natasha #15042 from Orel, who exchange clothes and wear the same beautiful Orthodox cross. You can be sure she's not the culprit. Two guys, Lev and Maxim are trying to shake us out of a few bucks.

I sometimes get the idea that the people running New-Dating are arch-scammers. How many folks do they have on the docket for $15 a month, me included? I've been trying to cut down on my booze, so that equals about two drinks a month, hardly a big sacrifice.

The other David seems to have it right. How can you get scammed when you don't put up any money?

Interesting note: Once I tried to send money to a female name to buy herself a box of chocolates and Western Union turned my order down saying that they had numerous complaints about the individual name. Is there a way of requiring a Russian identity card before money is handed over? There's probably a way around that, too. I can't be bothered.

Be sure of this, not every girl in Russia is a scammer. Only the ones on this site, I think.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: Ultra (---.go-online.ru)
Date: 05-05-04 06:10

John,
I have compared the profiles – the pictures are identical! The twins? No, this is one and the same girl, only information in her profiles is absolutely different. And I am sure she is not aware of what is going on behind her back. John, why don’t you contact the owners of this site and ask to clarify this issue? They must explain this to you. Maybe there some mistake occurred here. (personally I doubt). Anyway it would be interesting how they would explain it.

And again – don’t send money till you are 100% sure that the lady exists and aware of your existence. Maybe it is even not SHE who is going to pick up money. There are several ways to checks if the lady “exists” (certainly she does, otherwise who is on the picture then?). The question is - if the person who is on the picture and who writes letters one and the same person. So I suggest you send her flowers through some flower delivery service and ask them to provide you with pictures of her with flowers (when they are received). As far as I know there is such kind of services. For example russianservice.com does it. In case the lady does not live there you will be notified about it. Moreover you will be able to view her real time pictures (not professional) and make sure that she knows you.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: John T Owens (---.bos.east.verizon.net)
Date: 05-05-04 14:44

Administration of the New-Dating site can't tell me much. They seem very calm about the situation and said they are taking the culprits off the site. I question the overall security of the site especially since a charge for 6 international calls I didnt make has appeared on my phone bill, $160 and everybody, the phone company, Microsoft and Dell,the computer manufacturer all disclaim responsibility, furthermore they can't advise me as to how to prevent the problem from recurring. Are we just helpless sitting ducks as consumers. Anyone got any ideas, I'm at a loss.Ultra wrote:

> John,
> I have compared the profiles – the pictures are identical! The
> twins? No, this is one and the same girl, only information in
> her profiles is absolutely different. And I am sure she is not
> aware of what is going on behind her back. John, why don’t you
> contact the owners of this site and ask to clarify this issue?
> They must explain this to you. Maybe there some mistake
> occurred here. (personally I doubt). Anyway it would be
> interesting how they would explain it.
>
> And again – don’t send money till you are 100% sure that the
> lady exists and aware of your existence. Maybe it is even not
> SHE who is going to pick up money. There are several ways to
> checks if the lady “exists” (certainly she does, otherwise who
> is on the picture then?). The question is - if the person who
> is on the picture and who writes letters one and the same
> person. So I suggest you send her flowers through some flower
> delivery service and ask them to provide you with pictures of
> her with flowers (when they are received). As far as I know
> there is such kind of services. For example russianservice.com
> does it. In case the lady does not live there you will be
> notified about it. Moreover you will be able to view her real
> time pictures (not professional) and make sure that she knows
> you.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: David (---.sea1-4-5-063-172.sea1.dsl-verizon.net)
Date: 05-06-04 01:56

Hey there John!
There are quite a few lost angels on this site, aren't there? Wasting thier time has become a source of entertainment for me. Maybe that's worth the fifteen bucks!

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: James (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 05-12-04 05:57

One of the ways that a scammer can definitely be indentified is they will write in there letter as an opener... Hello dear Stranger.. They don't even take the time to write your name or might not even know them. I received that line this morning in a letter.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: Ultra (---.go-online.ru)
Date: 05-13-04 04:04

James, she is not necessarily a scammer. There are cases when ladies are very romantic and think that this phrase “Hello dear Stranger” will attract your attention (if you are a romantic person either).
There may be other reasons: for example some women ask to help them to find a partner. They ask the agency staff to send out their first introductory letters to as many men who match their criteria as possible (just to increase chances, hoping that at least 3-4 out of 50 will reply). That is why the agency just uses some neutral phrase so that they will not have to change names every time. And this is not scam, it is matchmaking services. Please remember that it is not cheap for ladies to use Internet every day, browsing through hundreds of profiles, sending many letters every day till someone answers etc. Don’t forget that there are many more ladies (maybe 100s time more) than men on all these dating sites and it is also not easy for women (like it is not easy for you) to find their soul mate…
So I suggest you not to pay much attention to the first letters. If her next letters will be not personal, will not answer your particular questions, well than there is something to be suspicious of..

Good luck in your search!

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: Jeff Stevens (---.253.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au)
Date: 05-17-04 20:46

Hi Ultra i think you have got it exactly right and you must wait for the second letter before knowing something might be wrong as 1 lady might
be writing to 30 men to get 1 or 2 replyies , i know how long it would take me to write 30 individual letters in english let alone if i wrote the same amount in Russian language i would be there for a year . So guys give it a couple of letters before being paranoid that they are scammers .
Good Luck
Jeff

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: James (---.slsp.cox-internet.com)
Date: 05-19-04 04:42

HI Jeff,

There are so many more nice ladies than scammers out there. But the particular letter I received was taken off the site shortly thereafter. There
is a similar thread that scammer girls will use and it takes a few to recognize that.

But this site has so many incredible girls and they try to watch out for the wrong type. I am planning a trip to meet with several wonderful girls and would like to travel to meet them and see what happens in person. I have traveled to Russia and Ukraine before and it is a very interesting trip and you will find out about the real Russian lady and if it doesn't work out , then you should have at the least , a nice interesting trip.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: Jeff Stevens (---.253.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au)
Date: 05-19-04 06:25

Hi James
, Yes i understand you but im just trying to say that there is so many people that seem to be too paranoid about scammers that they might even pass on a good women.
Whats the Ukraine like compared to Russia i guess the same , i have been to Russia twice and your exactley right if it doesnt work out with the ladies it is still an unbelievable holiday with plenty to see.
Jeff

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: kevin (---.ptld.qwest.net)
Date: 06-12-04 16:30

I think if you all were to read Nadya's new post, ... that would answer your questions regarding the title of this forum ....

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: Jeff Stevens (---.253.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au)
Date: 06-13-04 06:24

Hi Dennis
Well i think you have got Nadya down perfect and well she must be a very busy young girl to be doing so many things and to be running a dating agency and Nadya you are advertising yourself on this site as looking for your future partner but you are acctually just trying to promote your site , to me that is being decieveing to start with , but i guess every one that writes to you would be being told by you to join your site and to pay you for your services , sorry but i think to advertise your site on another dating site is dishonest and not the right thing to do to start with .

And what is the hedding to this section of the forum

Regards Jeff

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: tann (---.quantum.ru)
Date: 06-14-04 16:31

Hello!

I am a bit late. The administration of this site got complains about her because she was sending advertisements by e-mail, so her profile was deleted and some of our messages in the forum too.

Hello John, you didn't appear here for a long time, nice to hear again :)
"Strashni", yes you were right - terrible, horrible - but the meaning used in this context was very rude - unatractive like Quazimodo :)

Take care

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: John T Owens (---.bos.east.verizon.net)
Date: 06-14-04 16:52

Hi Tann, Quasimodo is one of my favorites. Do you believe that Nadya is really a 19 yr. old? She is no doubt rude, but also will probably wind up with a million dollars by being a website pirate.

My Russian teacher here in New England is from St.Petersburg and says that their women are the chicest in Russia. Pravda ili nepravda?

Russian women are really making progress in tennis, and in New York we now have some celebrity rich girls from Russia, living on their father's money. That's democracy for you, but I hope V.V.Putin never tries to curtail Russia's freedom.

Here in Boston we have a little cafe, the St. Petersburg, where they have good golubtsi and a great piano player who knows all the tunes.

Thank you for making the forum such an interesting place.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: tann (---.77.quantum.ru)
Date: 06-15-04 17:24

Hello John,

You are asking about St. Pete women all the time... the best way is to come and check by yourself :)

As for the cuisine... I tried Russian food in Paris and London. I dare say it's not exactly the taste I expected :)

I read all messages in this English forum and I want to say that I support comments of Jeff and Dennis because they have very true vision. That is very important to separate the husk from the grain. I am very sorry that there are so many dishonest people.

Take care
Tatyana

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: Jeff Stevens (---.253.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au)
Date: 06-16-04 03:18

Hi Tatyana
Thanks for the support there Tatyana and i went to St Petersburg in September last year , i had been to Russia before Ekaterinburg but St Petersburg is a great place to visit so much history , museums The Hermitage , St Isaacs Cathedral ,Church of the Savior and all the Museums and so much more i went there for 2 weeks and stayed for a month and would of stayed for another 2 weeks if my visa allowed , it is a place i could live but its to cold , John go there it is great , so much to do and see , Russian women are the best hosts even if you dont get along and both know you wont be taking the relationship , as in moveing to live with you ect they will look after you the whole time you are there , and just say you do not get along in the first week or so there are alot of local agencys that you can walk in to and pay a small fee and be on a date for that night , and maybe you will find the one for you like that . And in the end if you do not you will have an unforgetable holiday and make some great friends .
Jeff

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: Vince (82.213.214.---)
Date: 06-29-04 05:23

Some information that may be helpful

Guys, if you have been writing to someone for a while there is a bery good little rouse to detemrine if your girl is real or not. Send her some flowers (assuming of ocurse you have her address - which if she is asking you to send money shouldnt be a problem). There are a few florists who will take a picture of the delivery. So you send her some flowers or a gift, and get the florist to take a picture.

This way if the picture that comes back is the same as the one you have of her - she is likely to be real. If she refuses or it is a different picture then you have your answer. Also imagine her surpirse if she is genuine and receives a box of chocolates and some flowers.

If nothing else it puts you ahead of the crowd and in a nice and subtle way you get to find out if she is genuine or not.

Hope this helps

Regards

Vince

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: Sveta (---.pool-121.spbnit.ru)
Date: 07-31-04 17:56

Help me, folks! I want to correspond but I do not want to be the scammer (actually I have no idea what does it mean, but it sound worse than "lawyer". Brrr..) I'm novice in Internet dating, therefore I really need your help.
I have a couple of questions -
1. If I ask money, but not steal it as yet - is it "scam'?
2. Where is the lowest limit? For example - if I'll ask 20$ - is it scam or just the cute whim? 30$? If I'll ask 45$, good God, no?
3. If I'll ask to send me rubles? (I heard that rubles are not money abroad)
4. If I'll write honestly I need money for trip, but I can steal it (accidentally of course) - is it "scam"?
5. "Scanner" and "scammer" are it different words? I ask because I have one "scanner" at my working place. Should I inform about it site administration?
Thanks for attention.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: Charles469 (---.anhmca.adelphia.net)
Date: 10-18-04 07:57

More hints -

Scammers never read your letters, so if you ask a bunch of questions in your letter to her. If all you get back is some junk telling you how much she loves you (in so many words), then you are dealing with a scammer. Also, ask her for her phone number. If she gives you some line that she doesn't have one then she is likely a scammer. Also watch out for anyone from Lugansk - I have noticed a high percentage of scammers from that city. Beward of bogus agencies trying to get you to pay for correspondence wtih the girl.

contrary to some of the guys on this board, I have had good luck with Anastasiaweb. There was one woman on their site who was questionable and I complained so they immediately yanked her profile off there. I am sure that there are some scammers there, but like this site I think that Anastasia tries to police the site and gets rid of scammers when they find them.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: Irina (62.183.50.---)
Date: 10-19-04 05:02

Administration of this site too deletes profile of that people, which is scammers.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: tann (---.quantum.ru)
Date: 10-20-04 06:36

to Charles469: In most cases "Yes" but ... I myself have no stationary phone at home for some or other reasons. I do mind if someone would call me abroad on my mobile phone and I wouldn't feel comfortable if my company had to pay high bills for personal needs.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: Charles469 (---.anhmca.adelphia.net)
Date: 10-20-04 11:06

Tann,

Thanks for your reply to my post. So tell me then, what percentage of women in your country have no phone (either stationary or mobile)?
In my trips to Russia and the Ukraine it seems that every woman I met had a phone, even if sometimes it was shared by several flats.

The one and only time that I was scammed was a woman who was very romantic and loving in her emails (a definite red flag) but said that she had no phone at home. I flew all the way to Kiev to meet this non-existent person. I was apalled that someone could be so cruel as to pretend to be in love with me just for a few bucks ( I think I sent her a total of $200) Of course the money was nothing compared to the heartbreak that I felt.

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: tann (---.quantum.ru)
Date: 10-20-04 16:34

Charles, I am not a Statistical Committee, also not a phone company, I have no idea about percentages. I said: "in most cases". All that I meant that it might be a bell but not a prove that you faced a scammer.

Although I did some research. Analysis says that there are just 49% of population in Russia who are having phones at homes. But remember what Russia is - 147 millions. Moscow accumulated 96%. People who live in new residental buildings normally have to wait for 0,5-1,5 year. Curious but these people are not poor people in general as they could buy an appartment. Paradoxes :)

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: Dina (---.risp.ru)
Date: 11-09-04 09:07

At us speak: there is no fool like an old fool. It about you!

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Re: How to tell a scammer

Author: Mixtli (---.home.cgocable.net)
Date: 11-09-04 21:00

Well Dina, let me tell you that young fools can make great fools as well ;-)

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